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The United States is currently in the midst of its 58th presidential election. At the end of June, Winnebago will stage its 97th Big Captain election. If there’s anything that the last six months of American history have taught us, it’s this: Our nation would very much benefit from our camp’s experience with the democratic process.

Thankfully, many Winnebagans have dedicated their careers to public service, bringing Echo Lake wisdom to the halls of political power. With the election season raging, Samuel Lewis (SL ’12)—a rising Bowdoin sophomore, current Boating & Canoeing counselor, and up-and-coming reporter—talked with four alumni who’ve made a big impact on policy and politics.

These alumni have done it all: Doug Schoen (SL ’67) revolutionized modern polling and political research, helping to secure victories for clients like Bill Clinton, Mike Bloomberg, and Evan Bayh. David Shribman (SL ’68) won a Pulitizer Prize for his reporting on Washington and is now executive editor of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Josh Vlasto (SL ’97) served as press secretary for New York Senator Chuck Schumer and chief of staff for New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. Andrew Kambour (SL ’96) helps direct environmental, energy, and transportation policy for the National Governors Association.
Below, their thoughts on the current presidential race, the lessons of government, and how to win a Big Captain election.

JOSH VLASTO: Vice President, MacAndrews & Forbes; former Chief of Staff, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo

WAN: In one word, please describe the 2016 presidential race.
Vlasto: Off-the-wall. Put hyphens in there so it counts as one word.
WAN: What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learned from working in government?
Vlasto: If you do it well, you can really help people. Government—when run by people who are committed to solving problems non-ideologically—can really make positive change in people’s lives. Even though we’re in an era of hyper partisanship, with real vitriolic and divisive rhetoric, there are still people committed to getting things done. It’s not abstract: When you accomplish something, you can really change things for the better.
WAN: What’s the best thing a government has done in recent memory?
Vlasto: New York State’s passing the toughest gun laws in the nation in early 2013. I think that was the most important issue for government to tackle at the time in the country. It showed that if you passed tough gun laws there wouldn’t be confiscation or panic. If every state passed such a law the country would be a far safer place.
WAN: What’s the most important thing a government hasn’t done that it should have?
Vlasto: Same answer. Washington’s failure to address even the most basic parts of the gun issue is really the starkest example of partisan failure. There are basic common-sense changes that are supported by 80 to 90 percent of Americans that Washington has failed to implement. New York had the greatest success; Washington had the greatest failure.
WAN: Have any lessons or experiences from Winnebago helped you do your job?
Vlasto: One is the team aspect of meeting new people that you don’t live near and don’t go to school with. Being thrown into a new environment, making new friends, building a team, working on projects—all while having a good time—those are all things that are a part of camp. When I went to Albany to work for the governor, in a new environment and with new people, I had to work fast to build an operation and get the government moving. Camp teaches us positive social traits that help when going into government.
WAN: Knowing what you do now, how would you go about winning a Big Captain election?
Vlasto: Hah! I don’t even think I ran for Big Captain. There were far more qualified guys than me to take on that prestigious position. I would never assume I could hold that mantle. I saw myself more as a supporter of camp leadership, a strategic advisor during the patrol games. Chief of staff to the governor, yes; Big Captain, no way.

DOUG SCHOEN: Pollster; Political Analyst; Author; Founding Partner, Penn, Schoen, Berland

WAN: In one word, please describe the 2016 presidential race.
Schoen: Disturbing.
WAN: What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learned from working in politics?
Schoen: You can play fair, stick to your values, and still prevail. Ethics and achievement go hand in hand.
WAN: Have any lessons or experiences from Winnebago helped you do your job?
Schoen: In the summer of 1967, I became Big Captain of, I think, the Brown team. My goal was to win, to be pragmatic. My Final Week strategy was economical: We only tried to win the games we needed. I was shrewd about making decisions. It’s important to maximize your strengths and minimize your weaknesses. I was seen as ruthless in my goal to win. I did the same thing close to 50 years ago that I do now.

DAVID SHRIBMAN: Pulitzer Prize–Winning Reporter; Executive Editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

WAN: In one word, please describe the 2016 presidential race.
Shribman: Disruptive.
WAN: What’s the best thing a government has done?
Shribman: Creating the national parks. I support the making of the Maine North Woods National Park.
WAN: What memories from camp got you interested in government and politics?
Shribman: In 1964, we had a mock Republican National Convention at camp. In that year, there was no need to have a mock convention for the Democrats. Everyone knew Lyndon Johnson would be nominated. Aunt Emmy was a delegate or alternative to the DNC in Atlantic City. Before the Republicans nominated Goldwater at the Cow Palace, there was an insurgency that tried and failed to nominate the governor of Pennsylvania, Bill Scranton, who was more moderate. The camp actually nominated Scranton.
There was a movie shown at camp in 1964, the documentary version of Theodore H. White’s book The Making of the President, 1960. I was affected very deeply by that. It was a big inspiration for me to be a political writer later.
In 1968, I was the editor of the WAG and [future ESPN host] Chris Berman was the sports editor. Being on the WAG furthered my interest in writing.
WAN: What about as you got older?
Shribman: I was a counselor in 1973, the year of Watergate. I spent most of that summer discussing Watergate with Howard Lilienthal every day. The hearings were that summer. I got the newspaper mailed, if you can believe that, to me every day.
The mock convention, the movie, and talking with Uncle Howie every day got me thinking about politics—those experiences were very formative.
WAN: Knowing what you do now, how would you go about winning a Big Captain election?
Shribman: I’d be a better athlete. C’mon, you know it’s true.

ANDREW KAMBOUR: Program Director, Environment, Energy, and Transportation Division, National Governors Association

WAN: In one word, please describe the 2016 presidential race.
Kambour: Ludicrous? Apocalyptic? Trumpozoic?
WAN: What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learned from working in government?
Kambour: Regardless of what you might think of the politicians, the vast majority of people working on the ground in government are good people who are trying to do the right thing. One of the states I have been working most closely with recently is one whose governor I disagree with on a lot of policy issues, but his staff and the people in state government who work for him are all fantastic.
WAN: What’s the best thing a government has done in recent memory?
Kambour: I’ll give a state example since that’s what I focus on day in and day out. Unlike what’s happening in some other states that are drumming up a lot of controversy, Utah put in place a very well-crafted law aimed at balancing religious freedom with anti-discrimination protections for LGBT citizens. I know they spent a lot of time bringing both sides to the table to craft something constructive.
WAN: Have any lessons or experiences from Winnebago helped you do your job?
Kambour: Don’t be a jerk. I learned at camp that if you want someone’s respect, it helps to show them respect first. My job is as much about dealing with personalities and finding consensus as it is about policy research, so that lesson goes a long way.
WAN: Knowing what you do now, how would you go about winning a Big Captain election?
Kambour: I have no idea! I have actually thought about this a lot and talked to other alums about it. How campers choose who they vote for in a Big Captain election is one of the great unanswered sociological–political science questions of our time! Every year is a little different in terms of whether or not there are likely “Establishment” candidates, and even when there are, they don’t always win, or at least not both of them. The voting system is so unique; I don’t know how you figure out what the decision-making calculus is. So much asymmetrical voter information! Basically, I don’t think anyone really knows how you win a Big Captain election, and anyone who says they do know is lying!

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